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82 Comments:
I would be careful about doing a write in for Hillary. Unless Hillary (the write in candidate) files the paper required any write in will not count. In addition I have heard any of those votes may go to the actual democratic nominee Obama. Also some states do not allow write in's - so be careful.
As someone who is considering voting for Obama in the November, I feel that your poll is disenfranchising me by not allowing me to express my views. Not everyone who wanders to your site necessarily agrees with everything you have to say.
You mentioned health care. If McCain really wants to distinguish himself and go head-to-head with Obama he needs to come up with a universal haelthcare plan women can embrace. Obama's plan is really no plan, he pretty much wants to leave things as they are. The environment is another hot issue and with gas probably hitting $5.00 by September McCain can make this another key issue.
I will support McCain over Obama, the choice is obvious, I hope millions of others do as well, we cannot afford Obama.
I said in 1992 when Bill won the first time that Hillary would be our first woman President. And she should have been since she won the most popular votes. To Cosey Fanni Tutti--did you read what the headline to this site says? "Women for Fair Politics. Founded by Ohio Women for Hillary!" If Hillary is not our nominee at the convention in August, my vote will go to McCain.
I think if the women don't want
to vote for Obama they have the
right not to vote in November.
I think is fair to let the women
decide for them selve if they want
to march in New York city and no
one has the right to stop them.
I am very afraid of Obama. Go to savagepolitics.com and get the low down on him. I will vote for Mccain 08
I will be voting for Obama.
If Hillary Clinton's name is not on the ballot, McCain will get my vote. Let's just hope that Obama doesn't do like he did in Chicago and force all opponents off the ballot so he's the only one running!
Writing in Clintons name will only get Obama elected. I do want Clinton as president but if necessary I can wait 4 years for her to run again.
I am from MI. Although I supported Hillary, how can I answer the poll if there is not a space to put 'vote for Obama'. Just because she is not our first choice it is not now an option to go Republican or sit at home and not even vote. If we show our support as women, maybe Mr. Obama will add her as VP. I don't think he will with all of our rebellion. And, John McCAIN is the worst thing, that we as democratic women can do. Paula Henry MI
Why are you guys always disenfranchising people? First you want to count votes in elections where Obama wasn't on the ballot and now you draw up a poll that doesn't have his name as an option? How can you truly gauge support by such a poll? I don't understand.
I voted for Clinton in the primary, I still love Hillary Clinton, and I am voting for Barack Obama this fall. Why isn't Obama on the list?
And why would any Hillary Clinton supporter transfer her support to right-wing extremist John McCain?
McCain is the opposite of everything Hillary Clinton stands for, particularly on issues that directly affect women.
The idea that Clinton supporters will or should jump to McCain is ludicrous and defies all logic.
Get the facts about McCain's War On Women here:
http://progressohio.org/page/s/mccainwaronwomen
I agree with cosey. Your poll is clearly biased. It's unfair to assume that everyone who visits this site is a Hillary supporter that will not vote for Obama in the fall. I'm sure not all 18 million of you feel this way. Everyone should have their voice.
Why are you people so angry? Aren't we all Americans? Why chop off your nose to spite your face? How can you say the nomination was stolen from Billery when she knew that delegates are what determines the nominee (well until she started losing and changed the focus to whatever metric she prefered)
pls be aware...if u do not vote or write in Hillary's name...the vote is actually helping Obama...the only way we can keep him out of office is vote for McCain..then in 2012 we can help get Hillary in as President!!!
I will vote for McCain and a vote against Obama. I will not write in Hillary's name because it is counted for Obama. He has already stolen her delegates I'll be darned if he steals any more from her. Thank You, DyAnn
Hillary should be re-instated because she would have won with Florida and Michigan
kathie,
UM, If you really truly watched the campaign and listened to Clinton and Obama the only difference between the two healthcare plans was that Hillary wanted to mandate and Barack did not. So if Obams's healthcare plan is nothing then so is Clinton's. Maybe you should look into things before you post.
Cosey fanni tutti- now you know how we have felt with every AOL poll and every mainstream article that doesn't speak for us. Wander away and go back to the mainstream where you are pandered to
Cristy Atkins appeared on Fox and she sounded "Bitter". Claiming to be a Clinton supporter and agreeing that Clinton and Obama on the issues were nearly similar. Than stating that she still preferred McCain, surrendering on all the issues that attracted her to Clinton in the first place.
How about we stop the hate and work on the issues that will help women change the mentality that has been shown in the media instead of justifying it.
I agree that the treatment that Hillary received was a real awakening for a female. I wonder whether the male ego is ready to accept a woman as president. I will be voting for John McCain come November and I hope that he wins the election. I am a bit concern regarding the Hispanic vote which is much needed by either candidate to win. I don't see either candidate supporting any of the Hispanic issues that matter more to them. What I am afraid of is that since Hispanics have always voted Democratic on the basis that they address and support the issues of the lower income, that they will vote for Obama on those precises. I feel that John McCain needs to reach out to the Hispanic populace and address their concerns. He has got to go out and offer something attractive to them for their vote.
In the interests of accurately measuring public opinion, I think "Vote for Obama" should be an option.
HEY COSEY FANNI TUTTI~ THEN TAKE YOUR WEB BROWSING TO OBAMA'S SITE~ AND YOUPOSTED A COMMENT SO HOW IS THAT NOT LETTING YOU EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS? HERE IS MY VIEW; ANOTHER REASON ADDED TO MY LONG LIST OF WHY I WILL NOT GIVE MY VOTE TO SOME EMPTY SUITED SELECTED HIJACKING NON EXPERIENCED SNOB!
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=11799
Calif for Clinton: We stated our case and are standing behind our votes. Tens of thousands of us are going to do a "write-in" for Clinton, OR McCain OR not vote at all. Obama can count this state out.He is naive if he thinks he has this state "in the bag." NEVER!
I suppose anyone who throws their childish temper tantrum and votes for McSame instead of the next up DEMOCRATIC candidate...most likely falls into that Hillary vote of the uneducated. Afterall...Hillary did take the majority vote of the uneducated voters. Wake up people! I guess you dont mind paying up to $12-15 a gallon for gas that it's expected to go up to in the next few years....you dont mind paying for a war that we had NO business going into in the 1st place...for the next 100 years...you dont mind having to pay for your parents healthcare since MANY cant afford it on their own....All because you want to prove your childish point? YOU are what makes this country incredibly SAD! I guess you weren't ever a true Democrat to begin with. True Democrats take care of people. True Democrats stick together vs. the self indulged Republicans who only care for themselves. I encourage you to read The Audacity of Hope and see if you STILL have such a hate for Obama. Educate yourself PLEASE!!! Hillary will certainly NOT file to have her name accepted on a ballot! If you TRULY loved Hillary and what she stood for....you would certainly vote for a DEMOCRAT no matter what hard feelings exist. You who throw your temper tantrum and think you're going to prove a point...YOU will be the reason and have ONLY yourself to blame for the insane state our country is in. It will be on only YOUR shoulders!
to anonymous: I thought this site wanted to improve things over the mainstream media, not just replicate it on the small scale. might as well be honest about the possibilities and allow for people to have differing opinions. and I would hardly say aol polls are shining beacons of intelligence to being with...
In protest I will do anything BUT vote for Obama.
1. Some states don't allow write ins.
2. allow it as a protest vote
3. Some will default your vote to the formal nominee of that party.
4. If in doubt- vote GREEN Party, Ron Paul or McCain.
Also change voter registration from democrat to independent to send the DNC the message that we will not permit fixed, rigged, unfair primaries.
HOW Hillary lost is the issue- not that she lost. The bias and hate and cheating was unacceptable
HRC supporters do not respond to the Obama posters that try to call us names or shame us into voting for Obama.
Truth is, Hillary Clinton's platform is similar BUT better than Obama's in every way.
They are not entitled to our vote after the dirty politics of hatred and division they chose to play.
Lots of options out there: Green Party, Ron Paul or McCain( if your state won;t allow write ins.).
Just stand firm to protest sexism, media bias, and all the tactics and cheating to ensure the chosen candidate gets in.
Vote your conscience- don't let the haters for Obama sway you.
If your state does not permit write ins- then choose from Green Party, Ton Paul or McCain.
Protest the travesty of justice we witnessed from the DNC, the anti-Hillary media, and from the sneaky tactics of the Obama campaign.
Also Change your voter registration to independent and make your voice heard.
A vote for Obama, at this point- would be giving the nod of approval to the bias and hatred and unfairness of the primary.
Never condone fixed, rigged elections.
If you give him your vote- even IF you want to- it will encourage cheating and the politics of hatred going forward.
That would end fair elections and justice and democracy.
I was going to wait until the VP was chosen thinking that it may be Hillary. But other situations make not voting a mute point for me. Especially the Supreme Court issue. I am past needing or being concerned about Roe v Wade, that is my daughter's fight now, but with Gitmo and the attack on the consitution itself with this president I am worried the next one will be able to become King. Our last vestage of our civiliation is this court so I don't know if I will obstain only on the account.
Otherwise I (a life long Dem who has NEVER voted for a Republican in 35 years) would probably sit out. Even though, in my tax bracket I do much better under Republicans. And I can afford to buy health care. So if I voted for my best interest it would be a Republican. But that pesky liberal upbringing keeps getting in my way.
The biggest difference between Clinton and Obama: She has years of experience. He doesn't.
And as for his state Senate experience -- that's like playing on a AA or AAA team as opposed to playing in the major leagues. Good experience for a Senate run, but not for the presidency.
I am disheartened by the website’s “November Poll” that asks “What will you do to take back the Democratic Party?” and the answer choices includes “Vote for John McCain.” A vote for McCain is a vote for the Republican Party, and so obviously does not help “take back” the Democratic Party. Can you explain to me the rational behind why a once Hillary supporter would drastically shift in their political views on many issues by voting McCain? Encouraging people to “write in Hillary Clinton”, after her explicit concession speech, will no doubt aide in weakening the Democratic Party. And if one “abstains from voting”, well then that to me is simply a sudden change from having political discourse to now having apathy. Why does Women for Fair Politics unfairly exclude Barack Obama, the presumptive nominee, as a possible choice for how a voter may want to take back the Democratic Party? What about the Hillary supporters, many of which are women, who do plan on voting for Obama come November? Is it possible that Women for Fair Politics and other similar organizations, while discussing very important issues, are also making the mistake of treating women as though they are monolithic, all thinking the same way?
I can not fathom anyone voting Obama after hearing about his friends, pastors and statements he and his wife have made..they are anti-white, racial,racist and not good for America. If Christi sounded "Bitter" she, as do all of us have a right..the media and DNC pushed "us" and Hillary aside for their "darling". They stole votes from two states to get him the nominee and any thing else they could think of..bitter??,just "down right " angry! I would rather stay home in Nov. than vote Obama..and I hope a lot of others feel the same.The Dnc has gotten their 30 pieces of silver and I hope they regret what they have done!
If I knew that my vote would go for Hillary, I would write it in. Since I believe that is not possible in Florida, I will vote for John McCain. I would MUCH prefer to vote for Hillary Clinton. I guess that goes without saying!
I just love how Obama supporter are on this site just like all the others
The post above mine is one of many that I have been subjected to myself. Some people are so nasty that they feel they must have someone to blame.
What the person making that comment fails to see, is that many people who voted for Hillary Clinton are independents. For those who are democrats, or were, who are you to say that they must vote for whomever the Dems nominate?
A few points: 1. Whoever becomes president will not be able to lower gas prices alone, Congress will play an important role. 2. Obama wanted us to be gone by March of this year! That would have been the wrong thing to do. McCain does not want a 100 year war and knows the cost of war in all aspects. Most intelligent people get it.
A true caring person would not attempt to guilt another into voting for someone. McCain was always my second choice. Obama is not ready to lead our country and this will become obvious in the months to come for those who have failed to see it.
Some of us believe that both parties have good ideas to offer and vote accordingly. Character counts, Judgment counts and Experience counts.
It is "sad" that a person can be so nasty as that blogger. I am surprised that they did not resort to some of the name calling that I have seen for months.
Shame on YOU! Find somewhere to go where people will actually care what you have to say, like the rock that you crawled out from under.
Anonymous said:
"I suppose anyone who throws their childish temper tantrum and votes for McSame instead of the next up DEMOCRATIC candidate...most likely falls into that Hillary vote of the uneducated."
You certainly have a warm way of winning people over. You must have gone to the Barack Obama Supporters' School of Charm. Guess you all are getting nervous about the GE or you wouldn't be trying so hard. It doesn't matter though - Obama will not get the vote - not no how, not no way, not never!!
Kathie
McCain will not come up with a universal health care plan because he is strongly opposed too it. McCain's own words. "No mandated universal system; no mandated insurance coverage." I think it was Mentioned somewhere else there is not much Difference between Obama's and Hillary's Health care plan compare them, the only difference is a mandate in Hillary's.
Kathie you said "The environment is another hot issue and with gas probably hitting $5.00 by September McCain can make this another key issue." McCain has no leg to stand on, out of every Major presidential candidate he received the most money from those oil companies.
Kathie You go on to say I will support McCain over Obama the choice is obvious. You are then saying you don't care about any issue which Hillary truly cares about then. These were Hillary's own words "This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans."
Kathie you are aware that Hillary and Obama have voted alike 90% of the time. You are aware that McCain has voted in line with Republican Party over 75% of the time for his senate career.
If Hillary is not the nominee then my vote will go for McCain. My country comes first and I feel that Obama is dangerous because of his questionable associations and his VERY questionable judgment. I have never doubted that McCain loves this country and I wish I could say the same for Obama and his wife Michelle. Obama and his supporters have made this election cycle all about racism and misogyny. They alone have set race relations and feminism back 40years and I will never forgive them for that.
Obama has cornered the dumb vote! Over 30% of Obama voters don't know who the speaker of the house is?
To say blue collar people are dumb is the same arrogance that turned me away from Obama, Air America and now the democratic party.
Obama was not elected he was selected and affirmative action doesn't apply to the leader of the free world.
Obama can not debate, so they stop debates. He can not apply specifics to anything, so they make specifics a non-issue. His a lyer, but they say it's okay, his friends are dirty, he's supplied them with special favours, but they say, that's okay too. What the hell is going on!!!!!!! It's like group think of a bunch of 12 year olds.
The only president that could ever be possibly worse or less qualified than George Bush is Barak Obama - just when you thought it couldn't get worse, the democratic party lowers the bar.
I am not voting for McCain because I am throwing a fit, I am voting for McCain because Obama is not fit, qualified or worthy to be President
What about Nader?!
I find a write-in less effective and risky. We all know what Obama did to Alice Palmer in Illinois! Therefore I will be voting McCain. The more collective votes for one candidate (instead of splitting votes among independent candidates, etc., and doing write-ins) the greater the chance of defeating Obama.
I will be voting for McCain this election if Hillary is not the Democratic nominee.
Obama represents everything I hate about politics and I will never support him. Take a look at the following You Tube video for further proof that Obama is adored by people who would prefer to see Americans dead.
Gaza's Obama campaign
AlJazeeraEnglish
http://youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g
I think Americans need to know how much money and time palestinians and Islamic terrorists are spending to get Obama elected. I hope you do, too.
I, for one, am not interested in promoting any religious doctrine over another - especially one in which women are treated so poorly.
This is one religiously unaffiliated voter who will chose McCain and wait 4 years for Hillary to run again, should she not run this year.
I will vote for McCain although I have never voted republican. If anyone has been disenfranchised it is us the people who voted for Hillary. Florida and Michigan have the right to have their votes count. I wonder now will we have another replay of the Bush election. Will Obama and his staff sabatoge Florida in the national election? I, also do not care about national health plan. we have one . It is called medicaid. I work for the system and people on Medicaid often times do better than myself and my family. We work and have insurance which we pay for. Non the less some people "use" the system to fraudelently obtain "benefits". I would much prefer our government to use a better strategy to close the loop holes that allow those persons to be weeded out. i am also very tired of illegal imigrants who use the system. I supported hillary because i have always trusted her judgement, and experience. She uses more common sense than many others inpolitics. She's been denied this position because of the media, and many others who have chosen Obama's race over Hillary's experience and talent. In fact many of them use her sex against her . They won't vote for her because she is a woman. That's quite a double standard. Many feel that we owe African Americans something for the past. Well, Barack had nothing to do with the past. He also is half white, and claims to have embraced his African american heritage more than his white heritage. He says this in his book and it also is on his website. Why embrace any race. we are all Americans. Unless he chooses to embrace his African heritage to obtain higher office and the support of other African Americans. Hillary is not only a woman but also a long time politician. As a public servant i enjoyed the 8 yrs of Bill Clinton. I would have expected of much of the same from Hillary. With Barack I have no idea of what to expect. My ex-husband used to tell me that he only told me what I wanted to hear. That does not embrace the truth or facts. Barack tells us what he thinks we want to hear and very little of substance. Thank you "Women for Fair Politics" to allow this forum for debate and comments. I also examine other forums, including those I do not agree with in an effort to obtain both sides of the story. I encourage all of you to do so. I still have not changed my mind and stood my ground now for many years. Hillary should have been the candidate, she earned it, had more popular votes if you include Florida and Michigan, and by the way Obama had every right to be on those ballots if he chose to do so. She is the better candidate and always will be.
we must all vote for mccain when the time comes, if we stay at home it is a washout. the men in politics think we are kidding and that when the time comes we will be loyal to obama, this came from chris kofinis on fox news. lets be heard
benjamin franklin said..anyone who gives up FREEDOM for protection deserves neither! Why do we have a special interest groups; Delegates and Superdelegates? Their reward is a juicy position in the Democratic Party system. ( I give you my vote you give me a job) Democracy???That smelly under belly has been exposed to me. I'm disgusted...silly me!!Some one help me understand.
I have decided that not only will I protest the DNC by not voting for Obama, I will also vote against the Democrats in the congressional races. Don't let the Ob supporters scare you about Roe vs. Wade. That is fear mongering.
We all have the right to choose how to voice our protest over this primary election.
I would like to encourage those who are undecided to consider voting for McCain.
If we write-in for Hillary (which I would prefer), Obama could still win in close states. We have to give our vote to McCain, at least in the close states. Otherwise, our protest will be noted but it will not accomplish our goal.
If we stay home it could allow Obama to win.
If we vote for other candidates it could allow Obama to win.
I have read many comments on this web page, as well as others. The consensus is that Obama should not be President, for many legitimate reasons. So, to be successful, we need to make sure he is not elected. Our best chance of achieving this goal is to make sure that McCain is elected.
Some of the posters are missing the point. This is a post for people who feel strongly that Hillary Clinton was treated unfairly, was met with hatred and insults, was discriminated against by a very pro-Obama biased media. HRC was called every name in the book and was even labeled racist (yeah right) by the Obama campaign in an effort to eliminate her from the race. The media excused and overlooked all of Obama's contradictions and flip flops (still does) while pounding Hillary. The DNC also favored and advantaged Obama and tried to force HRC from the race.
This post is for those voters who oppose such fixed primaries and such dirty Politics- for instance, Obama's "be a democrat for a day" theme to get republicans to vote out, the stronger candidate, HRC. Then Obama gloated about his "crossover" appeal. That was just negative politics.
And it got worse throughout the campaign. So if you still believe that the sneaky Obama is your messiah- this is not the post for you.
Again, Obama is an expert politician who always claims that what he does is perfectly legal.
Yes, legal, but UNethical.
The Early polls showed that the Obama supporters said that they would never vote for Hillary (the same people now calling for Unity). I think this was a ploy- a strategy set forth by the Obama Campaign.
Meanwhile the HRC supporters weren't playing the politics of threats- and we answered honestly that we would vote for Obama, if He won the nomination.
Then we saw how the new, clean politics worked. Obama immediately proclaimed that HE would be able to win back the HRC people, but not the other way around.
That was so arrogant and presumptuous- not to mention a sleazy way to use HRC supporters as a weapon to weaken HRC. Then HE touted himself as the uniter and her as polarizing.
So many naive people out there can't see how Obama manipulates the media, the circumstances to unfairly gain an advantage.
I will NEVER vote for such a candidate.
HRC had the ONLY UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PLAN.
Obama is a liar and is claiming and presenting his plan as UNIVERSAL. don't fall for it.
For health care to be affordable and available to all- it MUST cover everyone.
If you CAN opt out- then many will. Even Obama does not believe what he says. That is why he mandates it for children- he does NOT believe that EVEN parents will voluntarily opt into it. Yet he struts about saying he believes every one WILL voluntarily opt in once it is affordable. If that were true- then why mandate it for children? Certainly, parents, of all people would opt in.
Obama's plan is the same as now. People like myself pay for Health Insurance and others opt out of it driving the costs even higher.
I say, cover everyone, it is a RIGHT.
I agree with all the posters who say that in the end we may all have to vote for McCain.
If the race is REALLY tight and Obama continues to gain, there will be no choice but vote for McCain to prevent Obama from winning.
Otherwise I think people should follow their conscience and vote as they see fit as a protest.
The main thing is to prevent Obama from winning. That would encourage all the lies, the hatred, the bias and name-calling, the disenfranchising of voters, and all the unfairness. Then the negative politics would have worked for Obama.
We want to say: no manipulating of the primary with bias and favoritism towards one candidate while trashing and bashing and destroying the other.
HRC clearly had the momentum at the end and Obama was losing his early momentum. Still, the superdelegates went with him rather than with her.
They were worried about losing the newbies and African Americans. But they just assumed all women would just stay loyal and true to the party- even after how terrible and nasty they were to HRC.
Another words...they took our vote for granted.
I just want to make sure that the same gimmics and tricks and threats to black out the vote aren't going to be used to manipulate future primaries.
Then liberty and democracy and the right to vote mean nothing.
In reality... the Obama supporters- being more young as a group and more left leaning- actually are the ones with more to lose with McCain. Yet they all loudly claimed (i believe it was just a threat as leverage to sway the DNC to install Obama) that they would NEVER vote for HRC.
If that tactic works to elect Obama, then using threats and reverse discrimination and gender bias and disenfranchising the voters will become the norm.
The hatred- "Bro before Ho" and labeling people inbred morons- that is what turned me off to Obama.
To me, Obama seems to call all the shots and gets to control the media. Only what he wants gets reported. He just declares himself to have perfect judgement and to be the Uniter and God's gift to the world. And everyone falls in line. Like China, N Korea or Nazi Germany.
No dissent or criticism or negative press is allowed. He wants to be Supreme Leader and everyone must agree and Obey.
If he wants, he just makes a speech, the media airs it and then praises it as the best ever.
If he says, back off- don't question us and don't criticize me or Michelle, the Media does just that. They follow his demand to "let it go, and move forward". But they sure NEVER did that for ANY of the Clintons. They could be dragged through the mud and insulted and viciously attacked.
I am really frightened by the group think that is going on. Like mindless people they hang on to every word out of Obama's mouth- and never mention the lies, the contradictions, the back-peddling that goes on. It is like adoration and reverence more than it is admiration and respect.
Paula J:
You are posting on the wrong post.
This is for people who want to speak out- with their vote- against the travesty we witnessed in this very UNdemocratic primary.
This primary was fixed for Obama from the start. He was given all advantages and HRC was beaten down and trashed.
We are protesting the terrible treatment and hateful disrespect that was shown to HRC.
No one dares show any disrespect for Obama- they would be branded as racist- even if his actions are unethical. Like getting a lawyer to block a revote? Why? I guess he just REALLY, REALLY did not want those states to count.
PLUS...All of us on this post, DO believe that HRC would make the BEST president and is the best choice. Why ask us to vote for a Man we do not trust and is third best of all the choices?
SO....go ahead, vote for Obama. We are not trying to stop you. So please let us exercise our freedom.
Please understand, that this is a post for strategy of how to BEST show solidarity for HRC- Voting for Obama will just legitimize all the Injustice and unfairness and BIAS that poisoned this primary process.
I was appalled by the dirty, sneaky, sleazy campaign he ran- while pretending he was above it all. I WILL NEVER encourage those tactics by voting for him in the end. I believe is is a wannabe dictator. He is convinced that he knows what is best for everyone and will permit no dissent.
Obama supporters:
The very premise of this site is that the poster WILL NOT be voting for Obama, to protest the unfairness and bias shown to HRC in this primary.
THIS SITE is a protest site. The premise is, that those who believe that Hillary Clinton was savaged in this primary... will protest that injustice.
OBVIOUSLY, We will NOT protest it by simply voting for Obama in the end. That doesn't make any sense. If you are happy voting for Obama, then you are not protesting with your vote and this is not the site for you. Why come here at all?
Why would an Obama supporter want to vote (FOR OBAMA) on a site that is designed for ALL those who WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA- out of protest over the conduct of the DNC, the media and the Obama camp? We are trying to determine the best strategy to convey our message to the Obama camp, the DNC and the media.
The message is simple: let the people vote and determine the nominee. The Celebrities, the Media and the DNC and its arbitrary rulings need to stay out of it. Just be respectful, supportive and fair to ALL candidates- not just to your favored one.
Beware-
The Obama haters- paid to blog for Obama- have permeated this site.
No one but a Hillary hater would ever use the term "Billery".
Also beware of anyone claiming that you are an idiot if you don't vote for the party nominee.
Truth is...many of us DO NOT like Obama's platform, his leftist/socialist leanings, his style and do not trust him. Many of us are not enraptured by the Messiah and do not adore him. WE do not like his style of dirty politics and the fact that he is a sneaky, lying, hypocrit. WHY would we vote for him? He has no UNIVERSAL Healthcare plan, may or may not withdraw from Iraq (he can't seem to pick a position), May or may not negotiate with our enemies with no preconditions (again- has no firm policy) and has shown himself to have VERY poor judgement in choice of aquaintences.
We would rather vote our conscience than from loyalty to a party.
You Obama supporters really want to strong-arm everyone into voting for Obama.
This site is designed for those who WILL not be voting for Obama. Obama, for many varied character and political reasons, is no longer an option for us.
That is why we don't list voting for Obama as a option.
The principles of democracy is the issue- not the candidate or the party. Fair and honest elections without cheating is the issue.
The Pro- Obama posts need to be moderated out. They are just trying to continue the hate and the pressure and the strong-arming for Obama.
Nothing can be gained from posting people who DID not find this primary unfair.
Nothing can be gained from posting people who tell other people that they MUST vote for the party nominee- or you are a racist, hypocrit, stupid...; etc.
Silencing dissent, disagreement and opposition to voting for Obama- that is what caused this division to begin with.
Apparently, you can ONLY be FOR Obama. But, it is okay to be for or against HRC, for or against McCain.
You Obama worshippers want to control people's voted.
Really... please moderate those posts out. We are trying to come up with a strategy for best making our voice of protest heard.
Voting for Obama, is not a strategy to that end... so why post their comments?
Another warning:
Obama people are trying to take over this site and manipulate the dialogue back to hatred and name-calling.
They are trying to control the dialogue and determine the outcome of the election just like they did in the primary.
NO ONE BUT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER AND HILLARY HATER WILL RESORT TO: McSame, McShame, Billery or any other childishe epithet.
Pleas block those posters. THEY are campaigning for Obama- not sharing why they believe the primary was unjust, unfair, biased, hateful and disrespectful to Hillary.
Nor are they sharing their ideas on how to make a protest vote BEST count.
Again the options:
1. Some states allow and will count a write-in vote. I would use that if I could. In NM that is not allowed and will count for Obama. Visit writehillaryin.com (Obama has a trick site up if you accidentally type writein..., instead)
2. Some states will not count your vote for Hillary, but will count as protest vote.
3. Some states, like NM, no write ins for presidential elections.
4. Other Options: GREEN party, Ron Paul or McCain.
5. Vote your conscience- do not let the Obama people force your hand. Obama cheated and played dirty and the media and DNC saw it and sanctioned it and rewarded it.
6. At the end- if the race is super tight- and it looks like Obama may badly trounce McCain- we might all want to consider all voting for McCain just to prevent Obama from stealing his way into the presidency.
Obama has no qualifications, no track record, has never done anything for his country and want to take us to the far left of middle.
VOTE FOR OBAMA- if that is what you want for this country.
People are angry...
Because Obama did NOT win fair and square.
He was favored by the media and given lots of positive coverage and he was advantaged by the DNC.
Plus he manipulated the vote by playing the race card, declaring HIMself a uniter (SO NOT TRUE), getting lawyers to block a revote (what was the harm it a revote?) and agitating hatred against HRC.
He is a demagogue who is very sneaky and skilled in using the media and the internet to manipulate the masses to move as a herd, in the direction he desires.
To Liberal Vicki:
Wow... just like me. I too, am a 35 year lifelong democrat. Voting democrat since I was 18- the first year it was allowed.
I too, being of adequate means, and paying for my health care, am better represented by the republicans.
But the social issues, the values of liberty and freedom and equality for all kept me voting (against my personal best interest) and for democrats.
HOWEVER- I could always legitimately support the democratic nominee before.
This year, the democratic primary was a joke. No criticism of the AA allowed- but go ahead and trash, beat, throttle and insult the female candidate. The nasty mean vulgar names they called Hillary- and they were gleeful about it- was just too much.
It went against all the reasons I remained a democrat all these years. And the party itself was hateful and rude and disrespectful to HRC. The democrats sabotaged and swiftboated their own best candidate, just to advance the other candidate.
THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR ME.
Now, I beg you, please don't stay home. Make your vote count as a protest to this bias and hate and fixed primary.
PLEASE... vote for anyone you want (Just as long as it sends the no fixed primaries message by voting against Obama).
I feel just like you... but the party betrayed its own principles and ideals. They savaged HRC and set Obama up as a King.
No way I will let that go down.
To ANTISTATUS QUO:
By taking back the party- we don't mean supporting the current party as it is- by voting for Obama.
We don't mean taking back the white house by any means at all. Even unethical, biased, undemocratic means.
Instead, we are referring to restoring fairness, equality and justice to the party. We are talking about counting all the votes in all the states. Not some arbitrary rules to disenfranchise and then some unfair way to count them in the end.
We are referring to integrity by the party leaders- support and loyalty to their candidates. Not the gutting of HRC and the annointing of Obama.
We mean restoring it to a party that represents people from all walks of life- without denigrating, vulgar, insulting put-downs of fellow democrats.
We mean TAKING back the party. And we can only do that by protesting what it has devolved into- by our vote. The message must be sent that we will not- ever again- tolerated fixed primaries and swiftboating of our own best candidate- just for political expediency. That we will not allow the media to rip one candidate- in some very vicious, hateful, crude ways- just to install their chosen candidate.
THAT IS WHAT WE MEAN BY TAKING BACK THE PARTY. Right now it is in chaos and decay. It has forgotten all about equality and justice for all. It is controlled by a small number of vocal and forceful left wingers trying to impose that as the direction of the party.
We mean sending the message that openly hating one of your candidates, is no path to a united party.
Also the current party is way to far left. Most democrats are more in the center. So that is another way we mean take back the party.
Right now the party is controlled by left wing elitists with their own agenda. And they have shown that they will sacrifice, sabotage and gut one of their own candidates with impunity.
They did not even try to pretend to be fair. They advantaged Obama and throttled HRC. Their disrespect towards HRC and calling for her to drop out was SO UNDEMOCRATIC.
I couldn't vote for McCain in the name of "fairness to women in politics." This is the man who recently -- discussing his vote against the equal pay for equal work bill said "women need more education and training."
Nor can I support OBama who has built his career on shoving aside women, from Alice Palmer to Hillary Clinton, Ms. Brooks in the TX Dem Party Chair race.
However, you have overlooked the alternative of voting a third party. For those who cannot write in, this is an alternative to standing in. Cynthia McKinney is running on the Green Party ticket, and Ralph Nader is also running. Then there is Bob Barr. Not that I could or would take these alternatives, since I want to vote for who I wanted as the BEST candidate. But it is an option to consider. A large BUMP in third party votes would send a message to both the major parties.
I will never vote for Obama! I am afraid that voting for a third party or writing in Hillary would only help Obama get elected. I will support and vote for John McCain in '08.
I came to this wonderful and amazing country years ago, from Africa. It is disappointing and annoying for me to see that Obama is playing on Americans intelligence and you all allow that. "Twenty Years Cheering", what is wrong with you all?
Hillary would have been the perfect candidate. She is such a seasoned lady and she deserves better, so Obama will not get my vote.
I have to commend the host of this site and to all involved please continue to fight for women, with Hillary in particular. Keep the fire burning. Hillary is clearly a victim of sexism and racism.
Cheers to President McCain. I wish it could have been President H R Clinton.
For those who wish to write in Hillary in November, check the rules in your state here: http://www.writehillaryin.com/
We must vote for McCain. Read this article at: http://savagepolitics.com/?page_id=699
I voted for Clinton because she is the most qualified candidate. The second most qualified is McCain. I am angry because Clinton lost because she is a woman AND it is women who did it to her! When will we ever learn?
Neither McCain nor Obama are acceptable, so I prefer to vote either Green Party or Nader. But it seems that Obama expects to carry Virginia. If that looks to be the case in November, or if it's close, we'll vote McCain.
The Democratic Party needs to be shown they must listen to everyone. I will not vote for Obama in November because I do not believe he is qualified to be President. To have a man , Obama, as President who sat by and for 20 years let children, teenagers and young adults be preached to and told that the white man was evil , owed them restitution for their ancestors, and helped to create the thug gansta mentality is not qualified to be President. His pastors and Obama , himself, by neglecting to step up and tell his Pastors they were wrong to preach such absolute lies have encouraged these young black people to become racist and to act out on that racism. Obama is a deplorable human being who was only thinking of himself and his political future when listening to this crap.
The poll is directed toward Hillary supporters who are not voting for Obama. I think it's obvious--and GREAT!--that WFFP is trying to get an accurate headcount of HillCains. That's why Obama's not included! For heaven's sake, this is not a site for Obama supporters.
It would be nice to find a site where Obama supporters didn't swarm. I guess I will keep looking. I prefer sites that are moderated so I don't have to read stupid items like 'billary'. I will be voting for McCain. I see Obama moving up in polls and I have visions fo Bush all over again. Yet another inexperienced product brought to us by the media.
How is your poll running? Can you let us know? In November I will vote McCain. He was always my second choice. I want someone with experience in the White House. In Florida if Hillary wishes to be on the ballot she must register otherwise those votes won't count. Sen. Obama feels he can win without Florida and Ohio by taking Pennsylvania. Will you run that by me again?
As a democrat I am ashamed of the party and on the verge of becoming an independent. There is no excuse for the poor treatment of Hillary during the Primary --face it, Obama was hand picked . I live in Florida , the half a delegate state. And look at Michigan? This guy voluntarily took his name off the ballot and yet got 4 of Hillary's delegates. Enough is enough. Ask yourself, when I go to bed at night WHO will I feel safest with as President? Case closed, John Mccain.
It's truly a shame that Hillary lost the primary. Obama may have a lot of "book learning", but he doesn't have the common sense that God gave geese. I can't believe some of the statements that come out of his mouth. I think the best thing for us to do is to vote for McCain, and then vote for Hillary in 4 years. I wouldn't trust Obama to walk my baby carriage, let alone run the country. I don't know what's happened to the Democratic party, but I'm sure FDR must be rolling over in his grave!
I agree w/kathie that McCain should modify his healthcare plan..Hillary's combines the best of both worlds; If health insurance is mandatory it would lower everyone's premium (incr. volume) and not threaten the insurance industry with annihilation! It would reduce the strain on hospitals who now have to eat the cost of those who don't pay.(many who CAN afford insurance choose to spend thier money elsewhere)Also--maybe her plan woul also eliminate the need for Medicaid. Obama's plan is simply not workable and is pretty much just talk... I, like many of you, will reregister as an Independent. The Democratic Party should be ashamed of themselves--I sure am. And if John McCain reaps the benefits, oh well!
MCCAIN - KEEPING UP WITH CHANGE!
When oil was $15.00 a barrel and gas $2 a gallon, McCain said it didn’t make sense to allow drilling to increase the oil companies’ profits.
Now that oil is over $100 a barrel and gas over $4 a gallon, McCain MAKES SENSE in increasing oil drilling and production and not taxing the oil companies.
MCCAIN - KEEPING UP WITH CHANGE!
When the Government had a tax surplus, McCain said it didn’t make sense to spend it on tax cuts that benefit the wealthy and opposed Bush‘s proposal.
Now with the Government in trillion dollar debt and the economy struggling, McCain MAKES SENSE not to raise taxes on the wealthy to insure economic risk taking which produces new jobs and technologies.
MCCAIN KEEPS UP WITH CHANGES IN OUR COUNTRY!
What is Obama’s position: (More spending and less accomplishments - doesn’t sound like much change to me)
Increase fuel efficiency of cars within 18 YEARS.
Double science and research funding.
Create a fund at 10 billion dollars per year (where is the money coming from) for five years to ensure promising technologies move beyond the lab (more research).
Generate more corn ethanol which will raise food prices.
Obama will allow Bush’s tax cuts to expire, which in effect will increase your taxes; then offer those making $75,000 or less a tax break of up to $1000 and claim he is cutting taxes.
MCCAIN KEEPS UP WITH CHANGES IN OUR COUNTRY!
I just heard that Senator Clinton and Obama will appear together next Friday. Hillary has to do what she has to do because she is a loyal Democrat, but I have to do what I have to do and that is reject the selection of the DNC. I will never vote for Obama.
I am proud of this movement, and glad I was not the only one stunned by the lies in the democratic party during the primary.
I have seen nothing from Obama acknowledging the bias of the primary. He has done nothing to reach out to Hillary's supporters. It is his job as the winner, and possible leader of this county, to know what was needed to bring unity to the party.
He went golfing instead.
The primary was rigged, and a lie. A vote for Obama would be condoning the underhanded way he, and the DNC, rigged the primary.
He is a plagiarist, a crook, a liar, a flip flopper, and a weakling.
We can start counting the lies he has been caught in this last week. I think we are up to about 10. On major issues too.
Go Hillary supporters!
I have been voting for Democratic Presidents for 25 years...NOT THIS TIME! I am disgusted at how the DNC, the media, and the Obama camp treated Clinton. Obama will not be President because Hill Dems will not vote for him. With Obama's loss we will be sending a clear message to the jerks who screwed over Clinton...we watched, we listened, we react in the voting booth...YOU LOSE! Try screwing a woman over again? Next time you will realize that is not wise.
Do I mind 4 years of McCain...NO. Is it better than 4 years of Osama? YES. Would I prefer the skilled and extraordinary grace of Hillary Clinton as President..YES.
Oh and to those fools who think they can threaten us with McCain overturning Roe V. Wade...not gonna work, we are not concerned. Once McCain gets in office he will stop pandering to the nutty pro-lifers.
Six friends and family in Ohio will be voting for McCain. The sexism was one thing, but the treatment by her own party was deplorable. Retaliation is justified under these circumstances, especially when we will witness McCain as president crossing the aisle and doing more for us than Obama ever would. By the way, all of us are college educated. Imagine that!!!
The Democratic Party is dead. The Obama Party buried it the moment the RBC cheated Hillary out of her delegates and the DNC moved to Chicago. Hillary needs to reclaim the Democratic Party by walking out of the Denver convention with all her delegates in tow and join the PUMA Party. She could run against the boyz and beat them by a mile. I see her in the White House. She will be our President.
I'm 65 and I have never voted for a Republican. Voting for McCain scares the hell out of me but Obama scares me more. I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain only if it helps Hillary.
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